It is, instead, a forward wing. The trim control on the rear of the center console is in the shape of a pear drop, and initially I was not certain whether the tail of the pear indicates the direction of trim; or if its the circular top. I managed the deceleration to approach speed with very small movements of the power levers and maintained final approach speed quite easily. In the Flint incident, LISTEN TO THE ATC tapes! As the factory-authorized training provider for these aircraft, we have created in-depth, type-specific programs to ensure that pilots and technicians are equipped with the latest in safety training. Piaggio will also increase the Evo's maximum zero fuel weight (MZFW) to 10,200 pounds, up from 9,800 pounds. Once level, we were rewarded with what was nearly the top speed of the P.180, which was consistently 395 knots bumping up to that magical 400-knot figure on a couple of occasions, those figures at around 800 pounds per hour total. It is not, at least not primarily. No sooner had we done this, when Villi took control, performed an airshow-style liftoff, and turned to clear the runway for the next aircraft. These were retracted as we accelerated toward 160 knots. Closing the power levers to idle sounds the gear warning horn, which is canceled using a button on the RH power lever. I love the Piaggio and Avantair has always been great to work with, but now I am concerned about my share and their financial situation. There is a lot owners don't know and it is shocking. You fly final at around 120 knots; when you pull back on the power as you land, the nose rises slightly, the mains touch, and you relax back pressure and prepare to get stopped, a job that is greatly aided by big carbon brakes and extremely effective prop braking. They have made a challenging job fun and did their best to service our Owners and fellow employees. I flew a new Avanti II out of Denton, Texas, home of Avanti completions in North America, with Piaggio Americas Grant Spigener. Really thinking nothing of it, I booked a flight from LAS to Orange COunty Ca today (coming back tomorrow). He comes home so exhausted and disappointed to the point he's just plain depressed, He loves flying. I'm a fractional owner and the first I heard about this fleet grounding was 11pm last night when I got an email from owner services saying my flights for this morning at 9am and return tomorrow were cancelled. A friend owns a Again, the landing flare was very slight, and on touchdown, Lorenzo took control, selected beta on the props and we smoothly decelerated with plenty of runway remaining. Findings as to risk: FAA and NTSB reports are only the tip of the iceburg, just imagine what hasn't been reported or swepted under the rug. At 10:21:49, there was 1000 feet of vertical separation and 0.9 nautical miles of lateral separation between the two aircraft. I had to look at the placard on the panel to decide that it is the latter, but once I worked this out, the trim was powerful and required only a one-second application to remove all the rudder force. The problem with the aft mounting is that the Avanti II has a very distinct exterior noise signature that is problematic while by all accounts the Avanti II is no noisier than other PT6-powered twins. I didnt alter it in any way I just cut and pasted what they sent me. This press release was issued by Avantair late last night: AVANTAIR UPDATE ON VOLUNTARY STAND-DOWN OF OPERATIONS. Now thats not bad for the performance you get (6 pax plus bags 1300-1500nm). If Avantair doesn't do this, FAA will shut them down. I was told my aircraft was on extended maintenance (whatever that meant, now I know). In flight, the Avanti handles much like its competition, but the jet-like takeoff and landing speeds, lack of FADEC, narrow gear track, twitchy electric steering, and grabby carbon brakes combine to make the airplane more of a handful than your run-of-the-mill King Air or Cessna Conquest. Max cruise speed / 400 KTAS The professional pilots at Avantair greatly appreciate our owners support and contribution to our careers and livelihoods. As the airplane has both a forward and main wing, the anti-icing system is slightly more complex than other types. I could see why 380 is a preferred altitude. In any event, they are going to be fighting an uphill battle, as each day that passes is going to cause people to want to cancel there "membership.". Copyright 2023 AIN Media Group, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Ask about it and was told they didn't want to buy replacement parts. To remain inside the military area, Villi encouraged me to roll on 45 degrees of bank. With over 25 years of trading, AvBuyer is the primary marketplace for new and pre-owned turboprops, plus you can read AvBuyer magazine and our online actionable intelligence resources which offer insight, market data and analysis from If not pilots for a direct competitor that would benefit from a VNR no longer there, I would guess that they might be disgruntled former employees filtered out by VNR's well-known tough training program. Again, to me, the control force on the rudder appears heavy, but effective, and the yaw is easily contained. Shortly before departure, Villi advised me that the autopilot function of the APS-300 flight guidance system was not available. Then there are the issues with inflight engine shutdowns that happen way early of the engine manufacture time frames. To begin, VNR has been a great place to work for many furloughed and retired former airline pilots. Deviating from ICAO-compliant English, the controller told us, Piste libre before we lined up and discussed the departure. While I flew, Villi checked the Airplane Flight Manual and the performance graphs corroborated these figures to within a couple of knots at ISA +5. The foreplane is essentially a portion of the wing moved to the front to allow the main wing to be moved further aft in order to create a larger cabin. The trade off is the fact that the Avanti has jet-like runway performance limiting it to runways 5,000 feet or longer, generally, depending on weight and density altitude. Takeoff over 50-ft obstacle (sea level) / 3,262 ft But, I'm sure that you could have done much better. When Flying first flew the Avanti in 1990, we predicted that its great fuel efficiency would be a big selling point, and that has been true. Discretion being the better part of valor, I extended the gear early and reduced speed to deploy the flaps, intending to stabilize nice and early so I could concentrate on flying as accurately as possible. But this time no airplanes will return to service until next week, if ever. I for one an very hopeful this whole episode will be behind us soon and that the company becomes gets stronger. This action is voluntary and involves the temporary stand-down of [our] aircraft, Avantair said in a statement. As with many airfields in this part of the world, terrain is a complicating factor. WebTo order vehicle records online, you will need to: Have a permissible use for the information if purchasing records other than your own; Select Online Services; Under Additional For turbine operators in busy airspace, ATC may not allow climbs into the 30s or 40s for long, if at all. Because of the rake angle of the windshield, the glareshield is very deep and provides a perspective unique to the Avanti. I selected terrain on my PFD to map the coastline. In ground idle and with power pulled back to idle, the airplane still has a tendency, like many turboprops, to get going too fast, so you need to use beta to keep things slowed down. Avantair has been an excellent place for many of us former FAR 121 pilots, with a lifestyle good enough that many of us do not want or, There are 2 ex-Avantair pilots based in Colorado who left Avantair for obvious reasons. That is a sign of a company that cares about its pilots. Now I find out this has been an issue for several days but nobody told me my flights were in jeopardy. Piaggio P.180 Avanti II: N141JT: Private: 0: Georgetown, TX: sub: 09-JUN-2018: Piaggio P.180 Avanti II: N977RS: private : 0: Tivat Airport (TIV/LYTV) w/o: 03-JAN-2019: Piaggio P.180 Avanti: N990RS: Rainbow Sandals Retail Inc. 0: 20 nm W of Kelowna, BC: On approach, however, the view is excellent. We are enhancing our maintenance and operational infrastructure so that it surpasses every standard that applies to the aircraft we fly. Cash is cash, and paying another charter company would sink cash. Had this been a real emergency, flight deck oxygen masks are stowed outboard of each pilot seat, readily accessible. The crew arrived at the intermediate airport and quickly boarded the two waiting passengers.Theydid not perform an adequate preflight inspection and departed about 5 minutes behind schedule. Had this been a 121 flight, the Captain could have had the passengers detained for interfering with a flight crew and stomping out on the supposedly "secured" ramp, but this isn't 121. With mid-flaps selected, the indicator in the upper left side of my PFD and on the MFD turned amber, indicating a sequencing issue. The anhedral of the forward wing ensures there is no aerodynamic interference with the engine intakes and assists in stall handling. 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He was up for a 10k raise after gaining seniority and they cut his pay the DAY before he was supposed to get the raise. He was a good guide to have for my first flight in the airplane. Many products featured on this site were editorially chosen. Above FL200, the torque is allowed to reduce as ITT becomes the governing factor and we targeted approximately 800 deg C. The maximum continuous ITT is 820 degrees, but 785 degrees is recommended to produce rated horsepower in ISA conditions and improve engine life. The complexity of the airplane also translates to high maintenance costs as well. With a top speed of 400 knots (Avanti II/Evo), these airplanes cruise as much as 100 knots faster than traditional turboprops. Because there is no overhead panel, I had sufficient head room to allow me to clumsily maneuver myself into position. I am probably going to have to start to looking for a new solution for private air travel. With all of these maitenence issues and issues regarding fudging pilot hours so they would be legal is scary. I got an email at about 10:30 last night saying cancelled for the reasons stated in this email, with the same offer to find me a charter ay my expense. That said both the plane and the company have been reliable for me for about 7 years. The Nov. 16, 2011 engine failure and emergency landing at Flint, MI and veering off the runway and flipping on its back (all 4 occupants suffered minor injuries) shows pilot poor skills for sure and serious concern about engine maintenance. I am a fractional owner and the first I heard about this grounding was at 11pm last night when they sent me an email saying my flight for this morning was cancelled. I followed Lorenzos example, if anything being a bit more aggressive with the speed decay. So it was no surprise that my first impressions were of relatively high control forces with noticeable system friction in both pitch and roll with, at low speed, a low geared pitch trim. Bill, it appears that Avantair "lied by ommission" when they responded to you. The cabin provides a comfortable and quiet ride for passengers. So last saturday I was scheduled to fly from Dallas to Las Vegas at noon. RMR, if you are in Vegas, have you looked at AirSprint as an alternative? In the process it doesnt hurt one bit that the Avanti II just so happens to be one of the sleekest and most beautiful airplanes ever built. 79 dated 17 The unique rear mounted turboprop engines makes the Avanti instantly recognisable. If the fleet was grounded last saturday then why were pilots sent out assignments to fly? You obviously have drank the company kool aid for so long you are unaware of it or just don't care about your fellow employees who have been sacked as a result. As we tracked toward this point, Lorenzo handed me back control for the last approach. In other words two failures and occured. It has delivered nearly 200. We were light and it was slightly colder than standard, both of which help boost true airspeed numbers by at least a few knots. Ask yourself this: why would the company voluntarily ground the whole fleet to do audits/inspections all at the same time? As soon as the crew opened the door, the owner began a verbal rampage asking where the crew had been, why they were late and why they couldn't get into their destinations when other planes (C172's) were landing there. The approach speeds are very fast by turboprop standards. He then lowered the seat and sat down. Max range / 1,470 nm. Have been looking everywhere for these. The second records shows a Piaggio P-180 I know if they fold up its going to be a fiasco as technically we each own a piece of these airplanes so we have a bunch of partners that we don't even know. Although never anywhere near 40 in the last two weeks have been in service. Yes, the Captain was terminated and we lost a good pilot. Where did you get this press release? I would especially reach out to Mr. Norris and others and hope that we will be able to serve you again in the future. This kind of range makes the P.180 a great bet as a regional airplane or one thats based in the Midwest. But it was not his fault that it. These inspections and other actions are still underway. Once having completed that check, we asked for and got a climb to FL 380, a common long-range cruising altitude for the P.180, which has a ceiling of 41,000 feet. Arriving at the FBO there, the crew were shocked to find the owner and his colleague outside the FBO, on the ramp, unsupervised, waiting for the aircraft to arrive. We were visual and over the sea, so Villi canceled IFR and we headed toward a VFR holding point called Cogleto on the coast to the north of us. During the stand-down, Avantair will furlough some employees. The difference between the two, they say, is that the forward wing, while a lifting surface, is not a controllable one. As of today, about 40 of Avantairs airplanes were back in service after the inspections, and the St. Petersburg, Fla.-based company expects to have its entire fleet flying again by Thursday. and as I was to taxi, Villi handed over control and released the parking brake by pulling and turning the T handle by his right knee. Be sure to repair any leaky faucets or toilets. Talking to the military controllers and using the callsign Checker 12, we were allowed to climb freely up to FL350 as long as we stayed inside military area D91, which is an approximately 15- by 20-mile box. The owners got into another Piaggio and flew again. Whatever the outcome, it was and is an honor and a blast to serve our Owners and work with my fellow VNR employees. We continued to decelerate and shortly after selecting landing flaps, I turned toward the hillside on my left to line up with the runway as we passed through 600 feet. Furthermore, the required pilot aircraft walkaround or preflight check of the P180 at San Diego before departure to Nevada, could not have missed the absent elevator that had fallen off before arrival, if in fact the preflight had been accomplished at all. Avantair loves the use of an ops check where the the crew tries to recreate the issue once and the maintenance department ignores it even after repeat issues with that same problem day after day. Yes, the Captain, a mere mortal and an infallible being, DID miss the elevator on his post flight inspection. Length / 47 ft 3 in The Avanti II's efficiencies can reduce operating costs by as much as 40 percent, according to Bingham. They are a public company and having your fleet grounded is a material issue yet they are not disclosing this issue as far as I can tell. The contract includes ten strict orders with options for 40 more. The P180s have a lot of maintenance issues because they are flown to airliner annual times when the planes were only made for a few hundred hours a year with private owners. Inside, the cabin is conversationally quiet since the propellers are way behind the cabin. He placed his left foot at the base of the carpet behind the central instrument panel and stepped forward with his right, placing his foot inboard of the control column and gracefully followed with his left. The windshield is deep and sharply raked back, which along with the ventral delta fins, perhaps alludes to the shared Learjet origin from the 1980s. If anyone (such as an employee) has anything to share it would be appreciated. Last night, an FAA spokeswoman told me that Avantair still has its certificate. At one point, Avantair had 57 P180s in its fleet. The fuselage, wings, tail and forward wing of the airplane are metal, though admittedly metal that has been shaped and smoothed in a way that makes a compound curve look like childs play. Mandarin.. Advertising of any kind is not allowed in our comments section. The use of alloys instead of composites was a purposeful choice for Piaggio Aero, which certified the airplane more than 20 years ago at a time when there were few successful composite models and sheet metal seemed to augur a shorter approval program than plastics did. Hah, you think the owners don't care about safety? The co-pilot was not fired. The fuel penalty for flying in the 20s is not as extreme as it is in turbofan airplanes. For private owners, charter customers and fractional owners, the big cabin is a major selling point. The Starships forward canard controls pitch whereas the Avanti has a conventional stabilizer/elevator surface. Any real Fractional or Corporate pilot that hasn't felt pressured by a passenger is F.O.S. In the end, the Avanti IIs configuration allows it to achieve light jet speeds in the same way as light jets do, by using a very small, highly loaded wing to go with a good dose of power. At 10:30 I was contacted and told that my flight had been cancelled, and that they would be looking at both charter and commercial flights at their expense. Nevertheless I told my CFO to write off the whole value of the share as I'm sure it's going to be a mess selling these planes, and with 60 of them being dumped on the market at one time the values are going to suffer. The sharp sweepback of the horizontal stabilizer ensures the elevators cannot be aerodynamically blanked by the main wing during a stall and thus remain effective throughout, and the main wing, with its high aspect ratio, is positioned behind the rear pressure bulkhead so that the spar does not pass through the passenger cabin, giving an uninterrupted length of 14.93 ft. When the crew explained that MYF was below approach minimus due to the CAT B limitation, the owner used abusive language and accused them of lying. A most serious maintenance error especially since the elevator installation work would have required a RII type (double) inspection. Try using low-flow fixtures. Well, pretty much all sold out. We took up a westerly heading for our return to Villanova. Though the very basic levers dont look as though they have reverse capability, they do, though it requires a healthy lift on the levers to get them back over the gate to provide propeller braking to slow things down on the ramp and taxiways. Did the Captain make a huge mistake doing a fast post flight after a butt-chewing from an owner? We have graduates from Embry-Riddle, Purdue, UND, Parks College, etc., some of the most respected aviation schools in the world. So to Don, you dont happen to live in Vegas do you? While the forward wing is not fitted with an elevator, it does have a flap, or set of flaps, depending on how you look at it. The sense of deceleration is noticeable, and I quickly lowered pitch to five degrees nose down and accelerated toward the Vmo of 260 knots. Most charter operators fly the Avanti II with a crew of two. I wont get into the details of it here, but suffice it to say Grant was busy with taking notes as I flew the airplane. I still recall going into one of the back hangers and see MX personal taking parts off of other P180s and putting them on other P180s. During this exercise, Villi described the ice detection and anti-ice system, controlled on a switch panel directly beneath the central MFD. Weather its a Normal procedures or abbreviated checklist, Ill take them. Using the rudder pedal steering in taxi mode, the feeling is very direct. 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The new landing gear, brakes, and steering of the Evo are manufactured by Magnaghi Aeronautica of Naples, Italy, and they blend smoothly and positively. I found a new job about 4 weeks later! Several years ago I shared a King Air 200 with another company which was great until the partner got into financial trouble and couldn't pay their half. The start-up sequence is pure PT6; its a completely pilot-controlled process. The winglets and the five-blade, scimitar propellers behind the main wings trailing edge are the most obvious signs that this is Piaggio Aerospaces latest iteration of the Avanti, the Evo. Anyone have any or both of these checkists? The Piaggio Avanti EVO is the third generation model of Piaggios flagship model. What we didnt fully realize is that over the next 20 years no light jet would emerge that could challenge the P.180s remarkable combination of speed, fuel efficiency and cabin size, a trifecta of strengths that has made it a popular transportation airplane with operators for whom efficiency, comfort and high style are the hallmarks of having arrived. First, the gear came down below 180 knots, then mid- and finally full-stage flaps and we were nicely stabilized at 500 feet. They have a history of lying. But it didn't help in the fact VNR was born in the Decade from hell. On the ground, however, the Avantis overflight noise footprint is on the high scale, which is typical of pusher designs. Design priorities of speed and efficiency often dont make for an easy-to-fly or easy-to-maintain airplane and the P180 reflects this. We are confident we are laying the groundwork necessary to offer outstanding service and reliability going forward.. While the rate of climb is great, one thing the Avanti II doesnt do is climb or descend at very high indicated airspeeds, the former a condition of available thrust. I followed the start procedure with one eye as I did this and observed Villi checking the power lever at idle, switching on the fuel pump, and setting the start switch to start. At 13 percent Ng, he moved the condition lever to ground idle with the starter switch shut off at 40 percent Ng and the power lever to flight idle. So to say that all is negative is wildly incorrect. 36 dated 11 April 2019 to the P.180 Avanti Pilot's Operating Handbook and AFM (Report 6591). All rights reserved. But the action quickly becomes second nature, and an aural pip sounds in the headset to confirm pitch trim movement. It's been 4-18 at most. Mr. Sabatini previously was the top career official at the FAA. Criminal Records include Lansing arrests, arrest warrants, search warrants, Occupants can converse easily, as can the pilots. The effect is a view that changes substantially as you point the nose up or down in various phases of flight. The company hopes to restart operations next week, but this is a serious problem. There are more problems than I can fit on this post, but one of the first problems is that these airplanes are flying 2-3 times the hours that Piaggio ever envisioned they would or designed them for. In reality, the P.180 is a fast, sophisticated, high-flying airplane that requires the same kinds of skills and training as any single-pilot business jet. As far as the crew that experienced the elevator loss, now you will hear the rest of the story.. Due to low ceilings at the destination airport, the crew diverted to the alternate, SAN. Now I find out this has been an issue for several days but they have not sent out any communications to the owners mentioning this issue, nor is it mentioned on their website. At FL 250 it was still better than 2,000 fpm at 170 knots indicated. We owned a King Air 200 several years ago in partnership with another company which was great except the other company ran into trouble and couldn't pay their half. Now, to the flight deck and our seats. Stylish use of mirrors, six good-size windows on either side, and use of light colors ensure the cabin has a roomy feel. So I took them up on their offer to find me a charter flight. Web Conserve water to avoid overloading the septic system. Other parts, mainly fairings and the like, are composite, but for the most part, Piaggio Aeros Avanti II is a sheet metal airplane. Of course, with higher operating weights you wont be able to carry as much fuel or, hence, get as much range, though the truth is that most flights in a 400-knot airplane are less than 1,000 nm anyway, and with a thousand-mile range as the target, you can liberally load the P.180. The power levers were manually adjusted as we climbed to maintain 100 percent torque, shown on the engine indicating system on the top of the central multifunction display (MFD) in green. He descended to 1,000 feet to position for a visual arrival to Runway 10 with a touch-and-go. Merry Christmas, kool-aid drinkers. The Aviation Safety Network is an exclusive service provided by: The twin-engine airplane departed 23 minutes behind schedule to pick up passengers at an intermediate airport. As a result, the engine management chores on the P.180 are more complicated than those in todays fadec-equipped light jets. Fortunately that was in 2007 and we sold it right before the crash. We know this is an extremely difficult period for our loyal employees and frustrating to our devoted owners, said Mr. Santo. Chad, To remain within our area of operation I was required to roll on 60 degrees of bank, which again demonstrated the airplanes maneuverability. If materials were a conservative approach, configuration was not. The crew brought a crippled aircraft safely to the runway, but departed the runway with the crosswind condition. The surface, which like the tail has a considerable amount of anhedral, is ice-protected, as is the windshield, by electric heat. Earlier, she also confirmed that Avantairs grounding was indeed voluntary and not mandated by the FAA. To date, of the aircraft in the fleet that have been inspected, there have been no compliance or airworthiness issues. P180 Avanti Ice and Rain Protection. The second engine was started and after-start checks completed. When the crew tried to explain that MYF was below approach minimus due to the CAT B limitation, the owner used abusive language and accused them of lying. Considering the shape of the nose in front of you, this is handy, because the runway stays in easy view the entire time. 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