Your insistence on snapping back or being defensive only adds evidence to a immaturity that will not serve the military. So I left his office and my recruiter took me to up to the hotel. I informed my recruiter of this incident and he told me not to mention it to MEPS because it won't come back in a police check being so recent. Unfortunately, she needed to go to sick call several times for persistent coughing. Lying at MEPS, HIPAA and security clearances. Own this and you may be surprised, if nothing else you will have evolved as a man. Copyright 1996-2023 AR15.COM LLC. See TheBeneGesseritWitch's guide on Paths to become an Officer. Retired in '02 as a Senior Chief(E-8 for you landlubbers). Do not encourage lying. She could have been honest about her history and told the Recruiter, who would have told MEPS, who would have requested a waiver, and she would have had a chance at a waiver by doing some additional evaluation. The young man did see another counselor in the same clinic, who identified several other stressors in his life, including moving away from home to begin college, worries about the cost of college, and a strong fear of public speaking. What should I do if MEPS continues to request medical records that don't exist? What is the worst that can happen? The TI took it away from him and then a few days later he got ahold of it again and was playing the thing on the ledge outside the window on the 3rd floor of the barracks. Discomfort after surgery is minimal, and vision recovery usually takes place in 1 to 2 days. Thanks for the details. What will you do at PI or San Diego when the withdrawal symptoms hit? Learning has occurred - give it time to sink in. I think the lesson here is not to tell people to disclose everything, becausethey won't. A forum to discuss Navy Recruiters, processing at MEPS, Delayed Entry Program, Enlisted Ratings, "A" Schools, Officer Candidate School, Recruit Training Command, and transferring to your first command. Do not lie, falsify, or hide information. why worry about it if it becomes a problem deal with it then. Also, while you wait for a reply from a subject matter expert, try using the search feature! Lying will. So what should I do: should I call him and polk the bear? Maybe mental health evaluations should be more thorough, the guys with physical problems that the Army didn't know about got found out because they were being physically pushed but the mental nutjobsthey didn't get found out til they got to their unit. He hadn't told them he had lasik. Good luck to you. Further investigation found she had a suicide gesture about 6 years earlier due to stress from a recently ended relationship, loneliness (had no friends for support), and academic struggles (failing some college courses). ), Arborry Hill Road Company, LLC Copyright 2006-2023, Service Academy Forums is a registered trademark of Arborry Hill Road Company, LLC. Recruits who pass their physical and have no prior history may be accepted because the military does not routinely pull medical information. He might have been denied, or if he was approved, he would at least have been more prepared to handle the BMT experience. Though my friend told me his exam consisted of a puff eye test, exam for glaucoma screening. Stuck waiting for MEPS to process my info from Military to Military as well as MEPS to MEPS. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. This disorder was triggered in BMT from a previously undisclosed mental condition. AF gives thumbs-up to pilots who had LASIK surgery - News - Stripes, Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information. I had lasik about 6 months ago and the recruiter originally told me that all I would need is a letter filled out by the doctor. Anything that deals with flying can cause problems with some that have had Lasik. And you'll be sidelined forever. Just get off the meds asap, and keep your shit together for however long your recruiter says you need to. Anyways I called him a few weeks ago telling him I am interested. When I went to MEPs, like most people, I had something to lie about. So I'm trying to go into USMC and I have been talking with this recruiter for a few months now. Please don't sabotage your own union's efforts on your behalf. broke my nose in December and had surgery to fix the break and take care of some sinus problems. Is there a glaucoma suspect trait i should be wary of, are there any other eye traits that would require further testing. I know a guy who lied about lasik because he didn't want to wait 6 months and nobody at meps found out. I don't suggest lying, but literally almost everyone I know of has lied about something. If you lie about it at MEPS, and get Lying at MEPS, HIPAA and security clearances. Be the first to receive exciting news, features, and special offers from Bodybuilding.com! Because he felt that his condition was very mild, and that it was part of his cousin's support program, he did not disclose this to his Recruiter, nor MEPS. But Im afraid that they will go back on my medical records and find out I lied . Further, he won't be able to enlist nor commission in any branch of the military ever again. Last I knew, which granted was probably close to a decade ago, it was strictly forbiddenonly PRK was allowed. In bootcamp a kid had asthma and almost passed out going through the chicken road and he got kicked out for lying about his asthma, so I would be honest. His family supported the cousin and were part an intensive family counseling program for suicide prevention, however this had a strong impact on our young man. Downside, potentially get caught, hit with fraudulent enlistment, permanently disqualified. My 90 day period was more like 2 months, because that's when they called me back for a followup, so it wouldn't have made sense (distance traveled and financially) to go back a month later for a '90 day' followup. I was at SOI-West last summer. After seeing the counselor for about 3 months, he was diagnosed with Dysthymia and Social Anxiety Disorder (SAD). It is irrelevant whether the union itself has anything to do with the action. They determined she only had typical "walking" pneumonia, meaning she would just be held back for 1-2 weeks and join another BMT flight to graduation. HELP!!!! And if you don't know what to do, you have no business applying to the military. Hopefully by then youll be completely withdrawn from your meds. This applies to ANY wildcat actions, including slowdown, work-to-rules, withdrawal of enthusiasm (WOE), sickouts, etc. I know I have to be able to function without medication and I can, but have not been consistently been of the medication simply because of the existence of standardized tests should I lie to my recruiter and say that while I have such a prescription I have been off it for atleast the minimum time period states or should I be honest because in reality it doesnt take a long time to get off a medication completely atleast for ADHD medications which are stimulants and what they dont know wont hurt them because my ADHD does not really effect me much at all anymore. Pretend now that either of these people had completed BMT without their prior Mental Health history ever evaluated. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. I had lasik about 6 months ago and the recruiter originally told me that all I would need is a letter filled out by the doctor. You might think to yourself, "How could he not know that he needed to disclose this information?" And yet when the recruiter tells them to lie so he doesn't have to do paperwork they always believe him that no one will find out. LASIK and LASEK are forms of corrective refractive eye surgeries, and both reshape corneas permanently. My only option is to wait another month just to go back to get a 'check up', costing me precious time and money again, without insurance, pushing back my MEPS appointment another month or two. if the issue will not comprise your ability to serve in your unit and MOS, keep your mouth shut.. What about me? For information regarding Navy enlisted ratings, see [Twisky's Rating Information Guide] (https://www.reddit.com/r/newtothenavy/comments/6mxv7c/links_to_official_information_on_every_enlisted/). I was honest at MEPS. Texted him asking if he got the paperwork and he said he did (at this point I knew a commander came in and talk to the two and now I know he is pissed). I would say lying at meps is a low risk high reward type of deal. JavaScript is disabled. I haven't seriously considered joining a branch since my accident in 2003, but it still crosses my mind from time to time. Though would documentation from a psychologist count as documentation from a doctor bc I dont know how familiar doctor at a hospital would be with something related to a different field of medicine. Yes, you need to be caught in the lie, but that isn't as difficult as you might think. A magnifying glass. My knees were pretty well shot after 4 years active 11B. Obviously I will tell them about my felony charge. I got both of these surgeries in order to be a seal, and would fucking hate if the reason I can't get in are the very surgeries I got in order to qualify for training. If you struggle from any of the conditions mentioned below, it is a good idea to speak with a local U.S. Military recruiter. ; and he asked my friend if he had ever smoked pot. Option 1: Being truthful and working a waiver that is doable. That's just the way it happens. The recruiter will come up with the necessary "details" of what happened and will move on to the next recruit. Never got caught. Haven't met a personw ho didn't lie. Lying at MEPS is punishable by a $10,000 fine and 5 years in prison. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. 1. Personally, go find another doctor that is ex-military that can weed through the BS. What is the biggest lie you have ever told or been told, The following errors occurred with your submission. MEPS consult will do the corneal mapping, so no, we don't just guess at the diagnosis. This video I react to a video that JTsuits made where a person was kicked out of navy Bootcamp due to them being medically unfit. Disclose EVERYTHING. I think the individual is still at the MEPS stage of enlistment, and if I have understood him correctly, he is awaiting a medical waiver of sorts. Should I lie and say the scar is from an accident like jumping over a fence that needed stitches? Any advice? 48.8K. Im in the same boat, the waiver is an easy one as long as you have a doctors note saying youre fine to be off medication, and being successful for 1-3 years off the medication. In my experience meps isn't that deep of a medical check and it's fairly disorganized. Handle this the right way, as you should all things. Nice guy and not pushy. Quite a few of the guys in my squadron had a screw lose. Tough but that is what it is when they find out. Lying at MEPS about medical or mental health history is a really bad idea with serious consequences, as stated on the Army enlistment contract you sign. I lied at meps . I'm certain they won't be. He stopped seeing the counselor after only 6 months from beginning counseling and successfully continued his college education. For more information, please see our Make it impossible to lie? When you're an officer and in a time-sensitive situation where lives are on the line, do you really think you have time to triple check? I have changed a few details to maintain anonymity, however the basics of the stories are very real and did happen. Buy, Sell, and Trade your Firearms and Gear. The purpose of this script is to help protect users from doxing, stalking, and harassment. I swear I've met more dudes getting chaptered in the infantry for mental problems (like a few guys are mentally insane) than I ever imagined. Having inconsistencies on your forms vs verbal answers is usually a major issue and will make it very difficult for you to get into the Marines now. He did well on the entrance exams and was motivated to succeed. The flap is then placed back into its original position. For instance another friend went to meps and when he was doing the eye portion he was wearing contacts and the guy checking him didn't even notice. I have to go to a cardiologist 3 weeks from now to say if it's a no go or not . The largest military subreddit on reddit. This is for prior service and new applicants. These include conditions like depression, bipolar disorder, epilepsy, heart issues, Asperger's, and PTSD. Glad to hear eye stuff is routine. A young woman wanted to join the Air Force and went to MEPS. A young man decided to join the Air Force and contacted a Recruiter. We are going to have to start policing this, because it's becoming too common. As long as you werent taking the pills within 90 days it wont pop up so just dont talk about them. About 3 years before joining the Air Force, his cousin attempted suicide. Instead, she had abysmal chances for waiver approval because she never got the additional examination needed for a waiver (plus lying isn't helpful to a case), so she was separated despite the recommendation of her MTI. Our advice is consistently not to lie at MEPS. By logging into your account, you agree to our. Also it is about what job that you are going to do as a Officer. and was it a mistake for being honest at MEPS? I realize you were told to lie, but you should have refused. Currently trying to fill out a packet for OCS, but my recruiter informed me that meps declined my medical history. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, https://www.reddit.com/r/newtothenavy/comments/6mxv7c/links_to_official_information_on_every_enlisted/, https://www.public.navy.mil/netc/centers/ceneoddive/ndstc/documents/manmed_chap15.pdf. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Its in your best interest to get through MEPS. A slight delay in schedule will not change your end game. Know how to find the right doctor. Overall, I have to say that I am troubled by the way you appear to be perceiving and interacting with the recruiters. Talked to a bunch of people about it and asked why does it say "no" if clearly should have been "yes". from USMCboot. Forgetting the medical side of this for a moment You must log in or register to reply here. Generally speaking, no. Okay, so I need some advice. I think the chief issue is your pattern of distrust..and confidence in superiors. Most major airlines are in negotiations at this time, and many are contentious. I plan on waiting the 6 months. or "Do you have a history of depression? So they just left that section blank and filled in the most recent appointment, making it look as if i never went in at all until just the other day. Can You Fix a Lie on Your SF-86 Questionnaire? They'll simply deny him enlistment and move-on. After about 2 months on the medication, he discovered that the side-effects of the medicine were worse than his symptoms and stopped taking it. This comment has been overwritten by this open source script to protect this user's privacy. One of those better to ask for forgiveness than permission situations it seems. I feel like this is a test so see if I won't bother to accrue some letters regardless and I'm not sure what to do. Here is the Press Release. No. For both, it's to ensure that only qualified candidates enlist. Lying will. Sounds about like what I figured. How do you think they would perform in a deployment, or at a remote assignment like Turkey or Greenland, or if they married and their future spouse later divorced them? We have been contacted by major union legal teams regarding this issue. Do you think the risk of getting shit bags and future suicides is worth the chance that one of them might be decent? I was in the same spot. Am I? Press J to jump to the feed. So I was told to go into his office and asked me if I was lying about any paperwork and that is there anything I didn't disclose with my recruiter or if I have done drugs. I even believed that my OR would appreciate my persistence in trying to get more info while he is on leave this week. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. However, you do sign a paper that allows the navy to look through your medical history if something bad happens during training. The doctor who found it said it not a big deal and they will let me in . Lied at MEPs about mental health history and drug history. I knew she couldn't hack it but she joined anyways). When did the AF start allowing pilots that have had LASIK? Fraudulent Entry can get you kicked out of the military. You must log in or register to reply here. Some people really really want to join, and they'll try anything. As a reminder, this subreddit is for civil discussion. She passed all the exams and was cleared, then went to BMT and performed well. I got disqualified to join the Air Force/military and I wanted to let you all know what was going on and how I was disqualified by MEPS.. If it had been correctly disclosed, he likely would have required a waiver and additional counseling before joining the Air Force. Free online program to promote the safety and well-being of military families. MEPS, Eye Exam, and Lasik It is against the APC Forum Rules to advocate any labor action which is not authorized by the RLA/NMB. If the answer is YES, congrats shipmates just got injured or even died on your watch. #12. You will never become a United States Marine. So you want to start a career founded on integrity by lying? Right now, between your profile information and this post, you're what we like to call a "tool bag". He also said that as long as I take care of it before I leave, I'll be fine. I just finished MEPS after having LASIK.I had to provide all medical documentation from the surgery (pre-op, post-op information, etc.) I had the active prescription but wasnt taking them. A bunch of others told me to just play dumb . Don't they pull your medical records, or did this happen after they checked? Wait 1-3 years off the medication. Then to delete your comments, simply click on your username on Reddit, go to the comments tab, scroll down as far as possible (hint: use RES), and hit the new OVERWRITE button at the top. They need to have a psychologist evaluate everyone at meps. I have to go to a cardiologist 3 weeks from now to say if its a no go or not . If it won't come up again or if you don't need a TS-SCI, you can get away with not telling. Then I met his boss; Sub-station commander. Keratinous is NOT trifling; it is the major cause for corneal transplant in the US-a very expensive medical issue. uuugh, it was hot. You're assuming her recruiter didn't know With the rise of electronic medical records it'll become extremely hard to lie for meps. (January 6, 2021, subversive for attending the rally - not me, but a friend). If you can not look at yourself in the mirror in the morning it was the wrong decision. Your Recruiter will not be the one getting in troubleit will be you. It does not belong to any particular service division. MEPS stands for Military Entrance Processing Station. There's been zero issues from the surgery and was absolutely necessary as I couldn't do more than 10 pushups without the wrist being in terrible pain. Always good advice. So ur saying stay off the pills for 90 days and I doesnt come up?how? They do that at the School of Infantry. If your eyes are otherwise healthy, the services will usually waive up to 5 diopters of cylinder (astigmatism). If you are 100% sure that both are non-issues and you can perform without them holding you back, then just don't mention it. Recruiter told me to lie . My dad said hell no, lost 60lbs and 6 years later has had zero knee pain. Do not attempt to interpret the questions your recruiter and MEPS will ask you--answer them as they are written. Or just give up and wait for a couple of years? Option 2: Lie. It is possible to lie about your depression during MEPS (Military Entrance Process). Comedian and Student of Life | Ep 029 JP Sears, [ARCHIVED THREAD] - Not disclosing information at MEPS - Advice Needed. It is not the recruiters job to get you into the military, nor is it MEPS' job to disqualify you. So if you do lie and something goes wrong at buds, they do have the right to dig through your medical history and they will probably find out about the surgery and lasik. I was planning on saying the wrist scar was from jumping over the fence as a kid or something like that. They are looking for consistency". I got disqualified for disclosing a medical issue. Know what makes you a poor candidate. 1) I have been told by my Officer Recruiter that I do NOT need any Letters of Recommendation for a package. Cookie Notice Sometimes Its in medical professionals best interests to lie. One new winner* is announced every week! 4,250. You may need further evaluation or counseling before you can live a rigorous military lifestyle. According to evidence presented at his trial, the Jacksonville military veteran was designated in July 2000 by the Department of Veterans Affairs as 100 percent disabled for bilateral blindness. Usually waive up to 5 diopters of cylinder ( astigmatism ) months beginning. Comment has been overwritten by this open source script to protect this user 's privacy and. Of some sinus problems join, and both reshape corneas permanently placed back into original. The chance that one of them might be decent for however long your recruiter you. A lie on your SF-86 Questionnaire lying about lasik at meps of the keyboard shortcuts, https //www.reddit.com/r/newtothenavy/comments/6mxv7c/links_to_official_information_on_every_enlisted/... He is on leave this week your recruiter says you lying about lasik at meps to have a history of depression information etc. Healthy, the following errors occurred with your submission are otherwise healthy, the services usually. 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