MANY SKEPTICS WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT ONCE SOMETHING IS debunked, that will be the end of it. Also it would take a very good set of lenses to see Sirius B, which has an apparent magnitude of 8.44 and a separation from Sirius A of 10 arcseconds (0.3% of a 1 angle) under the best conditions. Through the carbon dating of old ritual masks researchers have established the antiquity of the Segui ceremonies. The only mystery is how anyone could take seriously either the notion of For Siwa, I called Dr. Farouk EI-Baz of the National Air and Space Museum in Washington, and his maps showed it at 25.50 degE, 29.22 degN (that's the oasis center, with the modern town about ten kilometers SE). Our mysteries may be different but our questions are the same and we are no wiser. Sagan, The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. Beings of this type would be a bit like mermaids and mermen. Perhaps the 'sirens' are, figuratively, a chorus of mermaids recalled from earlier times.They are called in Greek Seiren.It is Many served in the French army in World War I and some of them could have returned years later with colorful embellishments for their native legends. "Perhaps (Oberg) is unaware," Temple went on, "that the differential curvature of the earth variously distorts distances shown on maps. Strangely, ancient records explicitly list Sirius as one of six "red stars." "Lecture 1st From the findings of Van Beek and the authors of Ancient Mysteries, it is clear that Griaule himself was responsible for the creation of a modern myth; one which, in retrospect, has created such an industry and near-religious belief that the scope and intensity of it can hardly be fathomed. Such criteria suggest that these periodic festivals have been going on for at least 600 years and possibly much longer. Seriously: The Dogon and Sirius? What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. Ogotemmeli: An Introduction to Dogon Religious WebAlso there is the fact that they described the Nommo as fish people and you find all kinds of half man/half fish - serpent imagery all over the Mediterranean. Europeans too believed that the "white dwarf' Sirius-B star was the heaviest thing in the universe, although in later years astronomers were to find Such words would have more persuasion behind them (to me they're merely an emotional appeal to sympathy) if Temple had ever admitted anywhere in print that he had found (or had been shown) any errors in his book or articles or public statements -- but if he has done so, I haven't become aware of them. The Sirius mystery, though, remains of great interest to many researchers today. Several possibilities exist. The assyrians called Sirius Kal-bu-sa mas (the Dog of the Sun) and in Chaldea, it was known as Kak-shisha (The Dog Star That Leads) Known History of the Dogon According to Dogon mythology, Nommo was the first living being created by Amma, the sky god and creator of the universe. Unfortunately he neglects to mention other bas-reliefs which show "fish-deer" and "fish-lions" and which consequently suggest that the fish motif was symbolic, not descriptive. Readers of Skeptic are not so sanguine. If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. WebThe claims about the Dogons' astronomical knowledge have also been challenged. The difference in brightness between Sirius A and B is a factor of 10,000! For instance, the anthropologist Walter Van Beek, who studied the Dogon after Griaule and Dieterlen, found no evidence that the Dogon considered Sirius to be a double star and/or that astronomy was particularly important in their belief system. Contents [ hide] 1 The Secret Knowledge And Wisdom Of The Dogon Tribe 2 Intricate Knowledge Of The Sirius Star System? -- in other words, no disproof would follow the failure of his prediction.). Greek and Arab myths and words are considered to a lesser extent. The Dogon. They all have one thing in common: enormous monsters. But other observers disagree. At least three are farther and at least one of them has rings too. Ideas originally published in 1948, reprint (Oxford University Press 1997). The biggest challenge to Griaule, however, came from anthropologist Walter Van Beek. A critical analysis has to investigate the accuracy of such claims, so as to judge the validity of the book's conclusions. (2004). Try my free online Rune Readings! Other Temple claims, including some wild assertions from The Secrets of the Great Pyramid, can as easily be checked and as easily demolished. ;WI)hK>U/sW_: v* &73DUI*y|07s^gQ7ni[khi4o2vA[a20?D-C[;,!vgejZE-,I51.cWS,?4#_}dpU4I[, w.Mi>Z@iOa:ia](i}29pit+ K#x>0nzDS%c7iN}%37Y-f 1Yvq'Nm=~-%#bO*O44*4%Aj Wi Copyright 19922023. The position of the of course, no evidence for this special eyesight, nor for other equally due to quantities of melanin (Welsing, F. C. 1987. Griaule either The Bad Archaeology page on the Sirius Mystery has summarize the basic details well: In 1976, Robert K G Temple (born 1945), an American living in the UK, published what was to become a seminal work of Bad Archaeology, The Sirius Mystery. In a recent book, The Once and Future Star (Hawthorn Books, 1977), George Michanowsky identifies "Oannes" as a Hellenized version of the Sumerian name Ea; he [2][1] The book was first published by St. Martin's Press in 1976. [18], He also used the second edition of his book to complain about what he said was "the extreme and virulent hostility towards me by certain security agencies, most notably the American ones."[19]. WebAccording to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. Temple's theory is heavily based on his interpretation of the work of ethnographers Marcel Griaule and Germaine Dieterlen. The line that Temple labeled Orbit of Sirius B is actually a figure the Dogon think of as a cosmic egg. The symbol for Sirius A is just one of many objects in the Dogon cosmos (C is the Sun of Women, F is the Star of Women, etc.). (Copyright Lee Krystek 1998) In Mali, West Africa, lives a tribe of people called the Dogon. The Sirius Mystery is a book written by Robert K. G. Temple (born Robert Kyle Grenville Temple in 1945) supporting the pseudoscientific[1] ancient astronauts hypothesis that intelligent extraterrestrial beings visited the Earth and made contact with humans in antiquity and prehistoric times. Sirius. Legends of the Dogon Belief in a Long-Solved Mystery Resurfaces. Paranormal, ed. In his 1998 revised edition, Temple was quick to point out the new discussions in scientific circles about the possible existence of Sirius C, which seemed to make Griaules claims even more spectacular and accurate. They seem to have For example, he claims that the Dogon have a drawing like the one in Figure 1. If Sirius B had been a red giant only a few thousand years ago, there would still be a bright and noticable planetary nebula around it today. A revised edition was published in 1998 with the new subtitle New scientific As Carl Sagan pointed out, when the lines on both maps are removed, the resemblance disappears. Could Sirius B have been a red giant a few thousand years ago? He was told that fishlike creatures called the Nommo had come to Earth from Sirius to civilizes its people. This sounds significant and convincing until one measures the distance on a map and discovers an "immensely accurate equality" of a twenty percent difference! To quote Ancient Mysteries: While Temple, following Griaule, assumes that to polo is the invisible star Sirius B, the Dogon themselves, as reported by Griaule, say something quite different. To quote the Dogon: When Digitaria (to polo) is close to Sirius, the latter becomes brighter; when it is at its most distant from Sirius, Digitaria gives off a twinkling effect, suggesting several stars to the observer. This description of a very visible effect causes James and Thorpe to wonder as anyone reading this should do whether to polo is therefore an ordinary star near Sirius, not an invisible companion, as Griaule and Temple suggest. According to Robert Temple (The Sirius Mystery), the Dogon had They dont have telescopes or other astronomical information. WebThe claims about the Dogons' astronomical knowledge have also been challenged. The alleged visitors from outer space What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. The Dogon also hold a big sigui ceremony every 60 years, which some interpret as representing the period of time it takes Sirius B to go around Sirius A. WebThe Dogon, the Nommos and Sirius B Artist's conception of the Dogon's legendary Nommos. Temple's book is indeed extremely long and many other researchers have echoed Asimov's assertion that it is "unreadable." Further, "The fact that the Dogon do not talk of another planet with rings beyond Saturn [i.e., Uranus, whose rings were discovered in 1977--and the rings of Jupiter weren't discovered until after Sagan's book was written, although they would have been clearly visible to any arriving extraterrestrial spacecraft] suggests to me that their informants were European, not extraterrestrial." "We have in the Dogon information a predictive mechanism which it is our duty to test, regardless of our preconceptions." Dieterlen the Dogon also name a companion star, po tolo "Digitaria I have never completely understood Temple's complaint to "Astronomy" about my critiques: "I could not object to a review of a book which was fair, honest, or intelligent, no matter how critical or damning it might be of the opinions expressed in the book or the quality of work behind the book. MANY SKEPTICS WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT ONCE SOMETHING IS debunked, that will be the end of it. theorizes that the myths may refer to a gigantic supernova. Could a remote African people have gained esoteric knowledge about the sky without having telescopes? The Dogon are believed to be of Egyptian decent and their astronomical lore goes back thousands of years to 3200 BC. Used under aCreative Commons license. The number "fifty" has great signifance in ancient myths. The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. 1978. Why would Europeans feel compelled that they needed to discuss astronomy with such a primitive tribe and why would this transfer of knowledge that only lasted 5 weeks have such an impact on the Dogan people that they would include it in their cultural practices? What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. WebThe Dogon understanding of astronomy was comparatively modern but has several known misconceptions - it entirely lines up with the European understanding as of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, before the discovery of relativity. Melanin Conference, San Francisco, September 16-17, 1987"). He says the references are there but recorded in riddles which he alone has been able to decipher. The Dogon People Revisited.. This is the original Dogon drawing. good amount of discussion of Sirius in the scientific press in the '20s so Pseudoarchaeology book by Robert K. G. Temple, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Sirius_Mystery&oldid=1135262588, CS1 maint: bot: original URL status unknown, Short description is different from Wikidata, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0, This page was last edited on 23 January 2023, at 16:12. ", British astronomy popularizer fan Ridpath, writing in the quarterly Skeptical Inquirer (Fall 1978), blasted Temple's "brain-numbing excursions into Egyptology." Mysteries (Ballantine Books, 1999). WebThe star Sirius is certainly no stranger to mysteries. Griaule did not attempt to explain how the Dogon could know Nor does he establish a connection between the Dogon creator Nommo and the star Sirius. It is a type of fuel that can lead to what Clay Farris Naff cleverly calls the neuron bomb. In this post, Michael Shermer asks, Is there a moral standard that stands above all the worlds religions that is based on some transcendent source?. So much for the Nommos. Classical mythology has been a Rorschach test into which people have projected nearly any notion that appealed to them. James, P., N. Thorpe, and I. J. Thorpe. (Copyright: R. Ibata (Strasbourg Observatory, ULP) et al., 2MASS, NASA). Swift appears to have taken the idea of two close (although not necessarily small) moons of Mars from Voltaire's novel Micromegos in which an Precise maps at the NASA space photo interpretation lab in Houston list "Behdet" as an ancient name for modern Damanhur, located today at 31.03 degN, 30.28 degE, i.e., more than a hundred kilometers away from where Temple locates his "Behdet" at 31.50 degN, 31.23 degE. He was told that fishlike creatures called the Nommo had come to Earth from Sirius to civilizes its people. History Debunked then goes on to demonstrate the type of pseudo-scientific nonsense this has lead to by providing a link to an Ethnomathematics paper and reading out its conclusion. scientific equipment, so how could they get this knowledge? ancient Egypt.*. Predictions are often reinterpreted to fit any outcome, which makes them scientifically worthless but which can be claimed to verify the pseudo- scientific claims. In other words, the Dogon tribe would not only need the knowledge but also a telescope in order for them to have the information they already seemed to possess. from black Egyptians who had telescopes. Ridpath asserts. "At first glance," Sagan admitted, "the Sirius legend of the Dogon seems Given that the French stayed in their territory for five weeks and had several local guides, it would not be surprising if they shared some astronomical knowledge during that time. If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. The Dogon were in fact aware of the fact that Sirius is a binary system (i.e. Its second, 1998, edition is called The Sirius Mystery: New Scientific Evidence of Alien Contact 5,000 Years Ago. That in itself is extraordinary.". The Dogon are supposed to have known that Sirius B orbits Sirius and that a complete orbit takes The assyrians called Sirius Kal-bu-sa mas (the Dog of the Sun) and in Chaldea, it was known as Kak-shisha (The Dog Star That Leads) Known History of the Dogon According to Dogon mythology, Nommo was the first living being created by Amma, the sky god and creator of the universe. What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. Most important, no one, even within the circle [7] Others, such as Marcel Griaule's daughter Genevive Calame-Griaule and an anthropologist, Luc de Heusch, came to criticize Van Beek's dismissal as "political" and riddled with "unchecked speculation", demonstrating a general ignorance of Dogon esoteric tradition. Astronomers classify Sirius as a "class A" star, hotter and younger than our sun, Its brightness is due largely to its proximity; it is barely eight light- years away from the earth. But it is an unfortunate tendency for certain reviewers to wish to try and appear clever at the expense of accuracy, honesty, objectivity, fairness, or even decent manners, by dropping any standards at all in their headlong assaults on authors using only the tools of distortion, dishonesty, and insults. In 1977 two radio astronomers were interested enough in the Sirius mystery to direct their telescopes at the star system in hopes of picking up any artificial radio signals. [6] The claims about the Dogons' astronomical knowledge have also been challenged. e issued monthly by the Griffith Observatory in Los Angeles. Mali was a former French colony (part of the Sudan), so some Dogon may have gone to French schools in the 1920s.7 Or Jesuit missionaries or merchants may have imparted the information to them.8, There may be an even simpler explanation. History Debunked then goes on to demonstrate the type of pseudo-scientific nonsense this has lead to by providing a link to an Ethnomathematics paper and reading out its conclusion. African Observers of the Universe: The Sirius Question. In, Ortiz de Montellano, Bernard R. 1996. For instance, the anthropologist Walter Van Beek, who studied the Dogon after Griaule and Dieterlen, found no evidence that the Dogon considered Sirius to be a double star and/or that astronomy was particularly important in their belief system. Myths and legends that are passed through generations are thousands of years old. You dont have to watch too many Fantasy Channel (formerly known as the History Channel) specials on ancient astronauts before youll be told about the primitive African Dogon of Mali and their advanced astronomical knowledge bestowed, of course, by extraterrestrials. sun and the phases of the moon are more pertinent for Dogon reckoning. Just when multi-cellular life would began, Sirius A would become a Red Giant, crisping any nearby planets. The brightest star in the sky is Sirius, now called Sirius A. Readers of Skeptic are not so sanguine. Legends of the Dogon Belief in a Long-Solved Mystery Resurfaces. The book presents the hypothesis that the Dogon people of Mali, in West Africa, preserve a tradition of contact with intelligent extraterrestrial beings from the Sirius star system. This means that it will have a lifetime on the stellar Main Sequence, which is where stars spend 90% of their lives, of about 1.2 billion years. Scientists learn that the Dogon do not possess secret knowledge about the star Sirius and its companions. Indeed, in view of the Dogon fixation with Sirius it would surely be more surprising if they had not grafted on to their existing legend some new astronomical information gained from Europeans. According to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. Carl Sagan agreed with Temple that the Dogon could not have acquired ", Temple replied in Fate: "The pattern published in my book was drawn by a professional cartographer who earns his living by drawing reliable maps for an international corporation." informed the Dogon of Sirius B or "he misinterpreted their references pieces of evidence is the tribe's alleged knowledge of Sirius B, a companion to the star If I were alone in picking on Temple's thesis, he might be able to argue a case for ad hominem persecution. You dont have to watch too many Fantasy Channel (formerly known as the History Channel) specials on ancient astronauts before youll be told about the primitive African Dogon of Mali and their advanced astronomical knowledge bestowed, of course, by extraterrestrials. But Fishs map used an arbitrary viewpoint in space. earth as a spherical body in space and projections upon it envisaged as part ofthe Sirius tore." The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. She claimed an alien starship commander had originally shown it to her. no conclusions of any kind." WebThe Dogon understanding of astronomy was comparatively modern but has several known misconceptions - it entirely lines up with the European understanding as of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, before the discovery of relativity. The bad news is that the pseudoscience websites were in seventeen different languages. In 1952, Young was one of nine people present during the first contact with the Council, an event initiated by Andrija Puharich, the man who brought Israeli spoonbender Uri Geller to America. What about the fact that Sirius was recorded to be red in ancient records? [8][9], In 1978, astronomer Ian Ridpath observes, in an article in the Skeptical Inquirer, "The whole Dogon legend of Sirius and its companions are riddled with ambiguities, contradictions, and downright errors, at least if we try to interpret it literally. "Dogon Restudied: A Field Evaluation of the Work of Marcel The Dogon also knew Sirius B was about the size of Earth and spun on its axis. As Picknett and Prince have been able to show, Temples arguments are often based on erroneous readings of encyclopdia entries and misrepresentations of ancient Egyptian mythology. The "mystery" that is central to the book is how the Dogon allegedly acquired knowledge of Sirius B, the white dwarf companion star of Sirius A, invisible to the naked eye. extraterrestrial visitors? He soon multiplied to become six pairs of twins. technological societies located on planet earth. He made no secret of the fact that his intention was to redeem in elliptical orbits of astronomical phenomena. Sounds like you're grasping at straws. their knowledge without contact with an advanced technological But was anything left out? The assyrians called Sirius Kal-bu-sa mas (the Dog of the Sun) and in Chaldea, it was known as Kak-shisha (The Dog Star That Leads) Known History of the Dogon According to Dogon mythology, Nommo was the first living being created by Amma, the sky god and creator of the universe. (I must confess I've felt that way about some other people, tool). For instance, the anthropologist Walter Van Beek, who studied the Dogon after Griaule and Dieterlen, found no evidence that the Dogon considered Sirius to be a double star and/or that astronomy was particularly important in their belief system. 68-70. If a European Other ancient astronomical records make no mention of Sirius being red. Saturn is not, as the Dogons insist, the farthest planet in the solar system. The Nommos descended from the sky in a vessel accompanied by fire and thunder. The Bad Archaeology page on the Sirius Mystery has summarize the basic details well: In 1976, Robert K G Temple (born 1945), an American living in the UK, published what was to become a seminal work of Bad Archaeology, The Sirius Mystery. This drawing is used by those who support the idea that the Dogon were taugfht about Sirius B by aliens. This step was taken by others, particularly Temple, in the Sixties and Seventies. ), many debunked issues keep rising from the dead like vampires springing from their tombs. And finally, even if Sirius B had been a visible red giant a few thousand years ago, how would the Dogon know that Sirius B was still there after it became a white dwarf? The antiquity of the Dogon astronomy is not so obvious as ancient astronaut enthusiasts claim but neither has it been disproved. Temple claimed that the Dogon knew about two smaller stars that are closely related to Sirius Sirius B and Sirius C. The mystery was how they had obtained this knowledge, as these companion stars cannot be seen by the unaided eye. He points out that Griaule and Dieterlen stand alone in their claims about the Dogon secret knowledge. The Dogon are believed to be of Egyptian decent and their astronomical lore goes back thousands of years to 3200 BC. G. 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